The Pregame Podcast with KD & Rich

Democracy Has Its Limits: A Raw Conversation on Politics in Crisis

• KD & Rich • Season 1 • Episode 4

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The digital age has fractured our shared reality into countless algorithm-driven bubbles. Rich and KD tackle this unsettling phenomenon head-on, exploring how the content we consume fundamentally shapes our perception of politics, society, and truth itself.

When one host's social feed shows primarily entertainment while the other's displays war footage, the conversation takes a profound turn. This isn't just about different interests—it's about how technology creates entirely separate versions of reality for each of us, making political consensus nearly impossible when we can't even agree on basic facts.

The duo dives fearlessly into contentious territory, questioning whether democracy has natural size limitations. Can a nation of 300+ million function effectively as one political unit? They explore the fascinating possibility of regional fragmentation in the United States, with economically powerful states like California potentially having both the financial resources and military presence to consider independence. Though speculative, these thoughts reflect growing concerns about governance at scale in increasingly divided societies.

Cultural identity emerges as a powerful force shaping our politics. Drawing from research on North American cultural regions, they map how different parts of Canada and the US developed distinct political identities based on historical settlement patterns. These regional differences—from the anti-federal "Far West" to the communitarian Northeast—provide essential context for understanding today's political landscape.

The episode also challenges conventional thinking about trade economics, racism's continued presence in society, and the vital role public broadcasters play in maintaining shared information sources. Through it all runs a passionate belief in democracy's power—when citizens actually participate.

As algorithm bubbles continue to shape our perceptions, this conversation serves as a wake-up call: we must actively seek diverse perspectives to understand our complex world. Ready to step outside your information comfort zone? Listen now and discover what your feed might be hiding from you.

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Speaker 1:

All right, we back, we back. Holla at your boy, Holla at your boys.

Speaker 2:

It's your boy Rich, and your boy KD.

Speaker 1:

Hey, hey, hey, dude, I wonder if we're going to think the pauses in our names are like fake, like we're just making up new names every fucking time.

Speaker 2:

Hey man, you can call me Houdini, if you want hey hey, hey, you can make those panties disappear.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I did not say that, but I do not disagree and uh, I'm so glad that we're recording on both, because that recording did not start. Uh, it it be like that.

Speaker 2:

It be like that. Sometimes the sun doesn't catch you because you're in the shade. You know what I mean. You gotta sound smart.

Speaker 1:

Hey, hey, yo, you are smart, bro. Stop doubting yourself like that. Fuck that shit. Yo, my guy has two degrees. Okay, two degrees.

Speaker 2:

Two whole ass degrees. Hey, and guess what? Got me no job. Got me no job. Welcome to Canada, baby. Everyone's got a degree. No, but Risa has a degree In Neobiology.

Speaker 1:

All degrees, no job, canada's new slogan. Get a degree and stay on it, boy Get a degree. Stay on on it boy Get a degree, stay on EI, and then we'll call you a fucking Leach to society.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you got your masters. Oh, you should have got that 30 years ago.

Speaker 1:

Or 275 a pop, you know, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 2:

Our economy is strong.

Speaker 1:

As long as we mount crazy person in the white house wink wink, nudge, nudge dude. I was watching this thing about.

Speaker 1:

Somebody on the news was saying that like oh yeah, like oh yeah, harvard and them fucking protesting Trump's whole thing about removing DEI policies and stuff, and then I think it was um, like either the daily show or someone that was making fun of, like all these people that were like, oh yeah, like you know I don't want to brag, or like you know I always hate telling people this, but I'm from harvard, or I went to harvard, right, and I'm like bro, like by the sounds of it, especially like um, from listen to like scott galloway stuff. Yeah, like, shout out to you know prof g, you know um love his content. But yeah, like, because he, he went to like yale or something right, well, uh, did he go to university san boro uc?

Speaker 1:

no, I think he went to like yeah, he went like. He went to like ivy, we're in berkeley for sure.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, whatever he was in california yeah either way, he went to an ivy league school, right, similar caliber or whatever and he always puts it like the way that I think a lot of these kind of like older people probably should put it as yeah, where it's like. The competition at that time was like next to nothing. It's incomparable to what it is now with globalization, with international students from all over the world competing for the same spots that you competed with, against like 10 000 people, versus now it's like one in a million people yeah, right, yeah um, and so all these people that I'm like, oh yeah you know, like I didn't.

Speaker 1:

I didn't want to say that I went to harvard, but like, yeah, I like went to harvard or something right. Um, and sometimes I just laugh at that shit because I'm just like bro, like yes, be proud of yourself that you in the harbor, but you literally had, like you know, you probably paid like $20 in tuition or whatever yeah and you know Fucking competed against like a tenth of what it is now.

Speaker 1:

Like you are not relating to the public by being like, yeah, it's a Harvard alum or whatever you know. Like fuck out of here bro.

Speaker 2:

No, the crazy thing was happening in the States and everything what?

Speaker 1:

do you mean?

Speaker 2:

I think we're going to see universities have more international students from America. I mean, it's been pre-evident in Ontario and Quebec they'll have a lot of international students, even in BC.

Speaker 1:

Oh, like in Canada, you mean yeah, like American students coming here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh, they have for your speech. You know, you know, the Americans used to make fun of us because apparently you don't have free speech up here. Well, like now, what do you see? What like is happening in the White House? Yeah, oh yeah, you go against the president, you make his feelings hurt. We go, we go, kick you out the country. Why you be in country and make mr Prez mad.

Speaker 1:

Oh, Be in country and make Mr Prez Prez mad.

Speaker 2:

Oh, dude like that dude from El Salvador. Yeah, we sent him to El Salvador because he's an MSC member In there, like I think someone posted it for him like Department of Homeland Security and in the link I think it was the main prosecutor for the states.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, something, bonnie, something. She posted it. And in the link someone responded. In your own link it says he has no attachments to gang. It's so crazy, like you're just going to send people, american citizens, down to El Salvador and El Salvador is taking it because, like, what are they going to do? They're like a small country that bet their economy on Bitcoin and sure they actually cleaned up the country, but there was also a lot of human rights associated with that. It's just yeah, you wake up and something crazy happens every day. Facts, bro.

Speaker 1:

I mean, that El Salvadorian guy came in and yeah, he was like oh, would you let a terrorist back in your country? Like why would you want to let a terrorist back? I'm like hey, yo bro, we just told you Like, are you listening, listening? You know, Like they say when we're in kindergarten or whatever, you know you open the ears, you know, close the mouth, listen, you know.

Speaker 2:

Maybe he was wearing a suit, they would have been respectful. It's so funny they're like having fails all the time. They went to Greenland and like Greenland was like no one in Greenland. The whole of Greenland wanted the vice president of the United States or the vice lady to host like a cultural exchange. So they just went to the army base and they said some stuff and they left. Now Greenland is like yo we would be open to discussing with China.

Speaker 2:

It's just like the gore to get all their allies and I don't think they understand what an ally is. It's like somebody you can negotiate with to have a fair deal. Both ways Facts. And if they came to Canada they were like yo. If you could give us some of your resources and we can have a fair exchange, that would be great.

Speaker 1:

Bro Dude, like see all this shit about like Americans saying that like, oh, it's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair, right, it's like, oh, trade deficit, trade surplus, whatever, whatever, bro, like I just I wish some of them would read a book. Yo think about it, right, just fucking think about, especially if you're in a trade deficit, right, if you're in a trade deficit, right, because that means what that that you are buying?

Speaker 1:

from more from another country, right, yeah, then they are buying from you, right. But if you really break that down and this is the thing I talk about all the time right, if you really break that down, you buying more of another country's product, what are you using to buy that product? Fucking fiat money, paper, literally, you're taking trees and, at this point, fucking digital zeros and ones.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And you're going like here I'm going to give you this virtual fucking digital statement, right, of a hundred kajillion dollars, right? And then you're going to give me every single fucking physical item that you made in your country yeah, essentially for fucking free, because what You're going to stop me every single fucking physical item that you make in your country yeah, essentially for fucking free, because what You're going to stop letting me borrow money now as the American greenback, like, oh yeah, the world's reserve currency, You're going to let that collapse.

Speaker 1:

And then everybody being like oh yeah, that's so dumb, oh, it's not even Bro, fucking learn economics 101. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:

It's always better to fucking pay nothing to get real shit. You know what I mean that way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a great deal to get, bro, and then like terrible, oh, you know, like dude, and I've seen so many interviews where they're like, yeah, we just want our equal share. You know, in america, we just we just want to be fair, right, yeah, bro, you've been living the fucking dream. If canada could just be the world's reserve currency and just start popping up. Yeah, I'll take your oil, I'll take your silicon, I'll take your fucking rare earth metal, and all I'm going to give you is a fucking promise. Note that I'm going to fucking give you that money in fucking 30 years or whatever. Yeah, are you kidding me, bro?

Speaker 2:

I don't know what would happen after these four years, but I think if we get the right person elected either the two, hopefully, we should be good, but obviously one or the other. Big Daddy Carney.

Speaker 1:

I think we should be good.

Speaker 2:

Have you seen what the what's his name? Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, is trying to do? He's trying to get Canadians to come to the States. What, yeah, cause like to do what?

Speaker 1:

you know, to get tourism dollars and stuff.

Speaker 2:

He put out like a lot of like content for that and you read the comments it's just like yeah, we, I want to spend time in a detention center as part of my Four week vacation. So ridiculous it's not like said about the president, it's not that great, you know, once we have Ill will towards him. But I've commented on the stuff he said and the stuff he's done, as you know, kind of borderline idiotic.

Speaker 1:

Actually, the exact I'm not going to kind of borderline idiotic Sex, sex Smutty the exact definition.

Speaker 2:

I'm throwing it down and I'm not going to the stage.

Speaker 1:

The exact definition of idiotic right Like bro.

Speaker 2:

We could've, could've been. All these terrorists and terrorists is a great word, he's a whole.

Speaker 1:

Yo Bro.

Speaker 2:

That's fucking crazy. If only the world was less sexist and less racist, we would have smooth sailing with Kamala oh bro, I mean, okay, sorry, finish your point before I had an awakening.

Speaker 1:

No, no, go ahead On the thing of racism. Right yeah, our buddy Deet sent me a thing about what is it? There was this youtube video about like 20 trump conservatives or whatever versus one liberal or something. Oh yeah, so interesting. It's like there's this guy. Did you believe things? Yeah yeah, it's fucking sick, it was sam cedar I think so I think so.

Speaker 1:

I mean, to be honest, I didn't think I don't know who he is, I don't know his background or whatever. Glasses, beard, yeah, but I don't I. I didn't think I don't know who he is, I don't know his background or whatever. I have glasses and a beard, yeah, but I don't. I honestly didn't think he represented the left that bell, because it was like I honestly, like the Trump people were more respectful and trying to listen to the point and let him finish all these things. And this guy was just going in. He was like, ah, that's so fucking down.

Speaker 1:

Wait what are you saying? Like I was, like you should like I was like bro Leonard finish the point. Yeah, I said, let them finish your point. You're having a fucking.

Speaker 2:

Debate or whatever you know like, given the time, our debates more than American debates. Oh yeah, yeah, the four people are there. Three of them were there for Canada, once there for Quebec. You know, it's really great. It's really great to have a cordial discussion and you can go around and be like I want to do this For Canada, I want to be prime minister. And one of them Is going to be like I want to be prime minister, I want to have Quebec, respect Quebec.

Speaker 2:

But it's great that we have A democratic process that allows people To do that, and he's so honest About it right, I'm here.

Speaker 1:

They have a democratic process that allows people to do this, and he's so honest about it. Right, I'm here for Quebec and Quebec only. All y'all get fucked right off.

Speaker 2:

And for you Americans who don't travel that much or don't see the world or read books, duh, basically, quebec is like a Texas, but with more, oh, interesting. As far as going to their identity, you know, texas is like oh yeah, big on Texas, not like politics wise, but like respecting themselves and really putting their values first.

Speaker 2:

Oh interesting, I mean, oh yeah, I mean, I guess, to a certain extent that could be wrong, but like I know their cousins are in the states or like in louisiana oh shit, cajuns. Okay, they came from acadia, so just kind of like new brunswick kind of there oh wild, yeah, um.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean I guess I feel like quebec people, well quebec, well like um they, they like their identity for sure, right, but I feel like it's getting well, I guess. Yeah, maybe that is the relation to Texas. I feel like I mean, I've never been to Texas, I'm literally just fucking either in generalization. But I mean, they do it to the level of like, we do not accept you if you don't embrace our culture. Yeah, right, really. Culture first, yeah, which is kind of interesting, because I don't know if I was, yeah, no.

Speaker 2:

culture first, yeah, which is kind of interesting, because I don't know if it's secularism or secularism, but if you are religious, you better be Catholic.

Speaker 1:

Facts literally, and you better fucking speak French.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, and the debate was all in Montreal, right, and the guy was like the Blanchet. He fascinates me as a political leader. I'm going to remember him for the rest of my life. But he was like yo. I don't usually speak English while I'm in Montreal.

Speaker 1:

And you're like yo. Canada has two official languages my, guy. One of them is English. For all this shit of like oh, you got to have French on every single fucking sign in the world or whatever right who just speak?

Speaker 2:

who bets?

Speaker 1:

dude, there's a fucking bingo card for that. Oh man, the most said quote of all night. Um, but, yeah, so anyone? This jubilee thing, right?

Speaker 1:

So this guy came up, um, on the trump side, and because I think they were talking about, like you know, rachel tensions and stuff like that, right, something I can't remember exactly, but he came in and he was like hey, do you feel like racism still exists in america, though? The san fide, no, the the trump guy, oh yeah, yeah. He was like what do you like? Do you think racism is still prevalent in America? And then the left guy was like what the fuck are you talking about? He was like. The Trump guy was like yeah, I mean, like we've moved on from racism and it's so funny. The speaker looked like he was like a minority and potentially LGBTQ, you know. I was like, oh, and then the guy was just so shocked he was like what the fuck are you talking about? Like he was like, oh, and then the guy was just so shocked he was like what the fuck are you talking about? Like he was like oh, I thought we moved through all of this bias and all this. You know, radical racism, shit.

Speaker 2:

I was like what, what world do you live in, my guy? No-transcript, there's a 100%.

Speaker 1:

What are?

Speaker 2:

you talking about. It's just not as Embedded in the structure. It still is embedded in the structure, very much so, but not as much as before. I'm trying to rationalize what this guy could possibly be thinking. Since it's not as, since it's not fucking slavery yeah, it's not he must think Like slavery ended, racism ended. That must be the way he thought about it. I don't know how he came to that conclusion that racism is not a factor anymore.

Speaker 1:

Segregation ended, racism ended.

Speaker 2:

All good.

Speaker 1:

MLK being executed. No worries, is this?

Speaker 2:

still like. There are people who stage homes, but they will stage it like a white family lives there, just so you get oh interesting, yeah wait.

Speaker 1:

So does that mean there's an inherent assumption of what a black family home looks like?

Speaker 2:

uh, you know, like if you have family photos and they're black, the appraiser comes in. Oh interesting, he might have a bias and he might just an inherent bias.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, bro yo, that definitely still exists. Dude like the black family could literally be just dripping in swag right like full chain, diamond, earrings, whatever. And he's like nope, uh, undersell, undersell. Oh whoa, that's fucked dude. Yeah, that's how we're done. Racism. I was like yo, that that one little bit shocked the shit out of me. I was like what reality do you live in?

Speaker 1:

you know like and that is kind of like the main issue. I guess that we're running into like like I don't know, because you never watched naruto, but um, uh, for all the listeners that are naruto fans, right, don't know that um, there's a, there's a uh kind of famous line or whatever where, like this guy who has this ability to essentially put you under an illusion, that says, like you know, like we create our own illusion essentially in life, you know we live in the. You know, like we create our own illusion essentially in life, you know we live in this subjective reality that we create for ourselves. Dude, dude, this is literally yo. This is why you gotta watch naruto, bro, it's full of all this.

Speaker 1:

It's like a kind of a three-toes allegory of cave ground oh, yeah, yeah, but simplified to just it was like one sentence and it was crisp, you know. And uh, the other shout out naruto, uh, the reason I am, the person I am today, um, but yeah, like, fucking, like that is the world we're living in. You know, like all of us, like left right, whatever we really do, live in a world of our subjective reality.

Speaker 2:

Rule the algorithm, but like that's pretty much it. Like the algorithms rule our lives and we get like sucked into different things. Like have you ever tried, like on Instagram reels, just to change your reels, I don't know, just to get more puppies on there, or something.

Speaker 1:

Nah, I'm all titties only on the reels, bro, it's not a titty, I'm not looking at it, it's yo, my real, my for you page now is all literally just titties and ocd and mine's like weird commercial from the 80s, the 90s and it was like just war oh, blah blah and, like I'm saying, so many houses just bombed out of nowhere.

Speaker 2:

Dude, you'd be more on the front lines if you put actually in the RV. That's why I dip. Sometimes I'm just like I can't see another whole fucking community booming up to bits. Oh Jesus, Do they actually show that shit? Yeah, it could be like some kid in Gaza just feeling like a building. And then you just Whoa Destroyed, but yeah, damn eh, but it's not a building.

Speaker 1:

And then you whoa destroyed, but yeah damn eh, but it's not a genocide, obviously.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, capital Tuesday that's why Mr Meta, mr Zupp is Zuck removes in moderation, because we can't do sob it'll masculine walk with the pumpkins.

Speaker 1:

I'm dead in moderation, you know, because we can't do sob.

Speaker 2:

It'll mask it. That's silly. I walk with the pimps.

Speaker 1:

Well, I wear the same T-shirt and chain. That was probably screened by 40 fucking fashion advisors or whatever.

Speaker 1:

Right, bruh, yeah, luck face. Yeah, luck, face sucks dick Sucker face. Yeah, so I don't know. It's kind of an interesting environment now where I'm just like how do we bring back the collective? You know, like, because this person, for example, like they could have just been fed information over and over again that racism is the long-term thing in America, right, like, look at, imagine, it's just like a bunch of fucking. You know, multiracial pictures of people holding hands or something Like wow, look at the imagine, it's just like a bunch of fucking. You know, uh, multiracial pictures of people holding hands or something like. Wow, look at us, we're all living our best lives, right, and then you're not seeing the content on like redlining. You're not seeing the content on like um, inherent bias, right, you're not seeing the content on fucking. Yeah, you know rights for different communities, whatever being taken away, right, like police brutality, whatever. And then that could really just like change your for, like your your brain focus or whatever.

Speaker 2:

I think you have to protect public broadcasters. So, whether that's the cbc or some other public broadcaster career in the future, you need a public broadcaster funded by the government that is ensuring that there's like an understanding among the populace and what the the general line of acceptable um actions are, because if they are wrong about that, you can change that through your votes. That's what I believe. With the private, it's kind of like okay, are, are you a foreign? Like uh, funded? Then it comes kind of tricky, like you're trying to change the politics in a foreign country, and then, as individuals, you need to meet people in person. That's you need to. That's how you gauge if you're going crazy or not.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you talk to people as much as possible in person. Um, you go out and see if there's something that you believe. You go out to that rally, whatever it is, and you see there's not many people there. Well, you may not. It may not be an issue for most people. Yeah, um, but but if you see there's a lot of people there and you see people having the same concerns as you or they have a different viewpoint that you don't have, because they have a different algorithm they've been dealing with, it's good to meet people of different political backings, different political views, just to gauge where you are and then you can kind of gauge where society is in total.

Speaker 1:

It sounds simpler to do than to actually do in person, though, because in a lot of smaller communities you don't have that community engagement at the same level, right, so, as you would in a bigger population center like a calvary, toronto, a vancouver, or montreal, like an austin or a, you know, seattle or whatever yeah I mean it's kind of um, you know, I do agree that, like the, the, you know, um state-run uh government back out of like state-run government back out of like media should exist, right, yeah, but I feel like we're, we're too far away now from both the medium and the stance in the population down right. Cuz say, you know, cbc and I think all American media is is privately owned.

Speaker 1:

At this point, right like CNN or CNN, except for like NPR, cnn is definitely Okay Because, yeah, so for us, for example, right, like we have, yeah, like Canadian Broadcasting Company, right, that's our national ZTV is privately.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Like CBC is our national public I guess, station, yeah, or Radio Canada, but the same thing, facts, and so you know, we have that as as the, as the tool, but I feel like as the medium, like they're not, I don't think they're really winning in the algorithm. Right, like you're still gonna see, like you can have all the unbiased information presented by these people as possible, but they're never they're, they're, with the current structure, not making it into the realm of fucking internet algorithms. Right, especially with all the wars they're fighting with, like the big three, like all the fan companies now, right, oh yeah, like google, fucking meta, all that shit, right, and so it's like I think something needs to change there. Plus, I just, I don't know we're still in the era of objective reporting. Right, because even CBC, which you know, like I love, like it's a great channel, like it's great information, you can still see that they lean left more than they lean right.

Speaker 2:

Right, but the Canadian populace leans left more than they lean right right, but the Canadian populace seems left more than the lean right. You think so. Yeah okay, okay, you go by population like Ontario. You know that. Well, there's a lot of conservatives out there, rubbed a lot of conservative, but like it's still lean more left Within the conservative party, you took the conservatives from Ontario compared to the conservatives across the country.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I would say that I would predict that the conservatives from Ontario lean more left than the conservatives from like the Western side. I read an interesting book on like American cultural regions American in the sense of Canada, united States and North America.

Speaker 2:

And next one. So it split them up into different cultural groups Right. So, like you had the left coast, which is pretty leftist, new Netherland which is like the original the Dutch found in New York, so that area is also left. You have the Midlands, which is runs through ontario. Um, you have the yankee dung, which also runs through ontario yankee dung runs through ontario then the midlands, and then you have the far west, which is like saskatchewan, manitoba, alberta and then parts of bc and basically the far west. West was where we are right now and their politics are like more so oh yeah, we want sovereignty.

Speaker 2:

Hmm you wanna and they essentially like, hate the federal government interference. Oh, I just like, and you can see that in the politics where you have Daniel Smith was always talking about Alberta. Sovereignty I mean, we don't have a federal interference is by calling, by calling over. It was a good book. It really laid out the big generalizations for big cultural regions within the states. Well, obviously, yeah, regions within regions like utah is pretty mormon, so that's a different thing on their own.

Speaker 1:

But yeah, and then, like texas has austin or whatever, which is such like a liberal or a place where, right, so yeah, it's gonna.

Speaker 1:

It's just kind of an interesting Like world that we live in now because, like, I think about those all the time where it's like, how do we fix this Right, like the machine is so large and it's so complex and there's so many parties involved and I used to think about it as such like, um, like a simplistic thing. Right, you do the thing, you convince people to vote and then shit changes, right, yeah. And you know, like by nature of just being America's neighbor like I, you know, watch more American politics content than Canadian politics content, right, and especially when, like people like John Oliver like breaks their shit down, yeah, and they talk about all the these lobbyist groups or whatever who are named like mothers against guns or whatever, but that they actually fucking support that there's so much deception that's underlying all the currents of various entities and initiatives and all these things that I can I honestly can understand why a lot of Americans kind of mistrust or distrust the institutions they don't have a public broadcaster.

Speaker 2:

That's the main problem, and I also think democracy has size limits hot set.

Speaker 1:

I think about that shit all the time.

Speaker 2:

I think like I think honestly, like if you're talking just just about the states right now I think we're heading towards a situation where there's gonna be states that secede. I could see California seceding. I could see the Northeast, like Vermont, like the places close to Quebec, those border communities and those border states and provinces, just kind of seceding to the whole thing.

Speaker 2:

Or even joining Canada. I don't know, maybe I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think any states are gonna to join Canada, because the difference between Canada and the States was the loyalty to the crown. I don't think they're going to saying, hey, trump is acting like he's a king. I don't want to be part of this and then join and say, hey, king Charles is our king. I think you use the seed into your own thing, which I think that's the most plausible thing that could happen. I think the more blue states will consider secession. I don't know how that works, I don't know anything about that, but that's my thoughts, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Dude, do you think blue states have the military power to succeed like that? I think California could do. It has the military power.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, bro, because under San Diego, no but under.

Speaker 1:

I have not, I have not Just military, oh shit, oh damn, san Diego.

Speaker 2:

No, but Under. I have not, I have not. So Just military, oh shit, it's just military. Oh damn, david Goggins Trained out there, the green, I believe Navy SEALs Also trained out there.

Speaker 1:

Oh shit, the ocean's close by oh.

Speaker 2:

So they do Every. I don't know about the northeast, but I know California, for that fact has a lot of military. Oh, interesting. And military oh interesting and you gotta think. If you think of it, california as a country is the fifth biggest economy in the world.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so with the side with the population of canada yeah, it's.

Speaker 2:

I think it's bigger economy than canada.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that point um, but like dude under, I mean, if this happens under trump, this dude is invading. You know, I mean likeading, you gotta keep in mind do the troops have?

Speaker 2:

do all the troops who are part of the military right now? Are they all backing Trump? I think the extremely white supremacist matters Troops are. I don't think like. I think America is a really divided country, Far more divided than Canada is, and I think due to that they can get shit done and, like you, look at the signal thing happening.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Bruh, and you think that guy, the DUI hire, can like coordinate an invasion DUI? Fighter, let's go go coordinate anything to actually make anything happen to fucking save his life, yeah to like okay, okay, we're gonna ensure that this I don't know you put Gavin Newsom against, uh, whatever his name is. I think Gavin Newsom comes up with a plan to defend California better than he can do. I think more people would side with him than him, the former Fox News host.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I think the difference is just going to be whether people follow orders or not.

Speaker 2:

I don't think they will. You're deporting US citizens to El Salvador. You're making prices expensive when when you you promised you were going to lower them. Yeah, it just creates more distrust. I'm like you're saying, like, people in the states distrust the media and, as a result, they distrust their politicians. And you look at these republican town halls where they're throwing people out because they're making noise that they were justifiably asking their Republican or even Democrat like senators and congressmen to do something and they're not. And they're seeing this guy, elon Musk, with his like lizard face walking around saying oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

I'm making savings with Doge. Why are people hating Tesla? Nah, someone had to leave you it's about that time.

Speaker 1:

Why are people eating Tesla? Nah, someone had to eat them. It's about that time.

Speaker 2:

I just see them as very divided. I think there's going to be a lot of turmoil, yeah, I think it's going to be tough, but I don't think they're going to get the results that they want. Like, which country abroad really sizes them fully?

Speaker 1:

But I think the difference is the military institution right, because, like we know from history, people like to follow order, right, people don't like uncertainty and if, if a strong enough presence goes, you go do this thing and you're like you've been, you know, through the military training and the conditioning to be like I follow orders, no matter what the orders say yeah, I mean that's, that's a flip of a coin at that point.

Speaker 2:

Right, that's a good point, but I don't think trump's that strong. I think he he blinks when he gets too tough. You look at the tariff situation yeah he puts on the tariff and then when things start to get a little bit shaky, he's like okay, we're gonna, we're gonna take it off, we're gonna pause it for 90 days, we're gonna do this. You can't pause a wall when warrants it starts. I don't think he has the guts to do that.

Speaker 1:

Let's release this after this is not a prediction policy changes.

Speaker 2:

This is a little predict. Let's see how it plays out. Then release this. I don't want to be the cause of it. I don't want to be the cause of it. I don't want to be the Francis Ferdinand.

Speaker 1:

Robert Deere says he goes. You're fucking calling me out, bro. I'm.

Speaker 2:

Ted Oberner now.

Speaker 1:

Right now Daniel.

Speaker 2:

Smith got your big mouth but everybody else that's hilarious, but like I just don't. I think he's too. He's too trigger happy. He doesn't think about what he's doing and then when he realizes he makes a mistake, he wants to pull back and then reorganize and then attack again. I don't think he can do that in a war situation. I think you have to really commit and you have to really withstand that pain. And I don't think the 300 million Americans yeah, I think you can get 1% and you wouldn't need 1% of the population To cause an uprising. We'll stand for that. I think you can get 30 million. Is that 1% or 10%? 3 million Americans To withstand against Trump? Hmm, except, the sad thing is I think a lot of left-wing people in the States don't like guns, for understandable reasons. But I think if you are in the States right now and you don't know how to use a gun and you have leftist politics, I think you should maybe consider it. Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1:

Because, yeah, I think some community was saying just wait till fucking democrats like guns just wait wait till we get over that fucking fear.

Speaker 2:

You know, I think you should at least know how to shoot him. You just meet up, and I think that's what the right ring excels at like just organizing and just towing a line usually and not fucking dancing their way through in City Hall and not having these eternal arguments that split up the party, Even conservatives here. It's a Big Ten party and they want to win, so they're going to have to tow the line Right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's kind of an interesting situation Because I mean the terrorist situation. I don't know if it's a direct representation of, you know, trump's fortitude or whatever. Obviously I agree with the fact that, like he's, his fortune is most likely very low. Like this is the guy that fucking bankrupted casinos, you know what I mean like the money printing of businesses, right like um. But right now, like I mean, I mean I feel like the stuff he's doing right now he's literally using the presidency to gain personal, uh, funds from everything he's doing, right like the stuff with vietnam or whatever, where, um, they're trying to like appease him by, you know, changing different regulations or whatever, and then also discussing a 1.5 billion dollar trump resort in the country you know. So I think he knows what he's doing and I think he just doesn't give a about actually running the country. He's just like how can I come out of this deal which is him being president?

Speaker 1:

yeah with the most amount of money possible yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2:

That's why he started the Trump Bitcoin. Yeah, bro, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a ton of sense, like because obviously this whole campaign was a revenge tour. Well, I did tried logging out like, oh man for old guys got a lot of energy.

Speaker 1:

Dude, it's all the big dicks. You know all the preservatives. That's what turns his skin orange yo, bro, and like dude, I was thinking what you said about Democracy has a has a population limit. That's the shit I think about China All the time, bro. If you try to run a country on democracy Of a billion people, bro, like obviously you know, like so much of the stuff that ccp does is fucking dumb. Like everyone got donor, all those things right, um, but I don't see it being governed any other way you know, I mean like it's just you need to have one direction definitely more competent than the current administration in the states 100.

Speaker 2:

I think the ccp are more competent than the the trump administration well, I mean because, because there's a progression right people, people are, are tested and then moved right.

Speaker 1:

So, like, if you want to be so like, I'm pretty sure the guy that's the like um xi jinping, yeah, like the guy that's in office now, right, no, is that him? Yeah, yeah, he's there. I should probably know this more. It is my own country, but, yeah, like, I heard a story about, like, his progression to becoming the president of China. What do we call it? Premier? Maybe premier Chairman?

Speaker 1:

I don't know, anyway, the leader, whatever right. Chairman of the ccb. Yeah, yeah, he had to go through like he started out governing a village and then, when he did that well, they moved into a town.

Speaker 2:

And then when he did that well, then a city, and then a province, and then eventually he's, he's like he's come up with crazy right, because like, uh, I think during mao's time he, they, went after intellectuals and they sent them to now they fucking kill them off. They want to use the for the other fields to do hard labor. Yeah, and that was g's family and he comes from a point of, like, actually working hard and actually having merit to achieve what he did, compared to trump. If I had that, remove the names. Yeah, a guy who worked his whole life to do this specific thing to a guy who just kind of like fell into it but started with five million or whatever. Yeah, I'm picking the guy who built himself out of nothing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it's not an endorsement for the ccp oh hell. There's an endorsement for the CCP oh hell. No, it's an endorsement for the character. If anything, it takes to come from the bottom all the way to the top. And it's a strictly Canadian kind of feel. You know, start from the bottom. Drake sponsor this podcast Yo OVO OVO.

Speaker 1:

I'm wearing all your shit right now.

Speaker 2:

That's actually wild, though.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So like we, although the policies are fucked up and like you know the direction may be wrong sometimes, like you just can't run a country of a billion people fucking going to vote for like eight different parties and fucking whatever, like your society will never progress.

Speaker 2:

I think 100 mil is like the top top limit it gets dicey after 100 mil. Man, there's too many opinion, you know, like the structure is too loose I think ideally you would want to keep it like kind of like the nordic countries like to like 10 mil, 12 mil range.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, then you can really organize and yeah, or even 40 million, right like yeah for the most part. If it wasn't for trumpian politics, we'd be doing pretty well. Yeah, we'd be doing fine. Pp would be in office. Low PP. Yo. When are they going to take our advice and fucking run that as a attack ad? Eh Yo, pp. Pierre Pollyann His kids, or his enemies, used to call him PP when he was a kid. They PP'd him. You know Irish, nick Pierre.

Speaker 2:

Pollyann, it's just funny man, he's just, it's just weird. How, dude, do you think that them though? Oh uh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't put him as the head of the conservative party, but I would say he would be a good minister. Oh, yeah, yeah, he's really, he's a good orator, the dude. That's never really really you can really capture an audience. Yes, that is one big sticking point that he has that he's never worked in the private sector.

Speaker 1:

Because I mean, look, then you have the. He is a great, like we were talking about this the other day when we're watching the day right, and like great presence, you know, high aura. He obviously like did a bunch of his makeovers, whatever, and it worked. Right, because he looks very prime ministerial. But if you, in my mind, if you have someone who is highly convincing without substance, that makes for a dangerous combination. Right, because don't know how he's going to perform. He's not because he's a little people.

Speaker 2:

And then you have Mark Carney. He may not be the best publicly, but he's definitely. I don't know what his plan is, but he's taking us somewhere, man, he's taking us somewhere. He's sure it was in different capacities with the federal banks, but still that takes a little. You have to look at the macro scale, which which the federal position is, whether you're an mp or a minister or a prime minister yeah to the head of government in canada.

Speaker 2:

Um, you have to have to think of things on the macro scale, but I think he has um charisma, at least enough charisma to reach out to people personally and understand their personal plight, right, which is why I like Carney. And if you had to bring in Justin, I think Justin doesn't have the economic understanding that Carney does. Not to say that he doesn't have any at all, right, he doesn't have the the the the Carney does when it comes to economics that Carney has worked hard for getting a PhD and then working in those high offices. Um, but with the thing was Justin was was like people hated him once he even came in because of his dad, and then they.

Speaker 2:

Over the past 10 years, it has been stagnating and a lot of things happened. A lot of immigrants ended up having proper housing for them. And not to say that lending immigrants was a bad thing or the immigrants themselves are bad people, it's just you weren't prepared. It's like you had like a, a boat and you just let in all these people and now we have to figure shit out and figure shit out, but like uh, I think I'm being an incumbent over the last 2024 years. Was the uh, the year of elections for democracies. Um so, like a lot of democracies, their incumbents lost.

Speaker 2:

Oh shit and even yeah, and then like, the only thing that saved the liberal party Was Trump, which is crazy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, which is insane Since Trump got elected and then he started his 51st state shit and then he started calling the prime minister governor, regardless of political lines, whether conservative, even if you're PPC, which is the people's party of Canada, which is like the crazy Maga wing of not even a wing, but crazy Maga party for sure. Maga in Canada, yeah, like we, a lot of like, we, a lot of Like. We're a pretty educated population and we did not like that. Yeah, that switched the polling and I mean you can't believe polls, but the way the people turned out when I went to go vote, I think it's going to turn out across the country. Oh shit. So I don't know. The more people show up, the more the polls become true. That's what I think wait and sorry.

Speaker 1:

So how did the people show up when you went to up?

Speaker 2:

there was a ton of people, more so than I ever seen in my life. Oh crazy or any, any. I haven't done advanced boarding before, but usually advanced boarding is not that much different than oh, but like there's long lines, I just like there's going to be long lines on election day too. Damn, yeah it. It took me two hours from the start damn to to actually just marcos run for cheese oh yeah all right remember to vote people it all fucking comes out of this.

Speaker 1:

Don't just do all talk, all talk. No, vote right straight up. All right y'all. Uh, the pregame we out.